Does the Government use the Terror Alert for Political Gain?

[asalei]

Originally Posted by Abbey

I am shocked at how many of you Repulicans and Bush supporters continue to put on your blinders to the mess in which we find this country, today. The economy is in terrible shape. We find ourselves involved in a war that has no premise. People are dying fighting for a cause that doesn't exist. Yes, Bush is using terror alerts as a PR bit. He is grasping at anything he can in an effort to try to remain in office.
P.S. I am appalled at the poor spelling and grammar usage that some of you use. Maybe it is a sign of the educational level of Bush supporters. Furthermore, anyone who spells "Bush" as "Busch" needs to travel outside of the trailer park once in a while, and put down the cans of cheap beer.

I'm a Republican who is Black, has a master's degree and was a Democrat until Clinton ran for Pres. Igorance and education have no correlation when it comes to morals and values. Spelling is not the issue. Are you saying travel makes you smart or are you just trying to be witty?

[sioab]

"I'm a born again Christian who is not fearful of anything because I know Jesus as Lord...it's the clueless ones who do not understand that this country is going to be judged/punished big-time for it's Godless ways and having a God-fearing President will delay it awhile. Check out the way God works in 1&2 Kings in the Bible. Asalei" (Quote)
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The fact that you are just a regular Christian or a 'born again' Christian, a reborn, unborn or any other kind of Christian has nothing to do with the issue. You make it sound as though a born again Christian is somehow better than just the everyday run of the mill Christian. That smacks of pride!

In Scripture, and especially all the references you site, are for Israel. Not the United States. There was only one nation in the history of the world that God was concerned with and that was the old Israel. The United States was not founded by God anymore than China or Mexico were founded by God and the very notion is nothing more than fundamentalist right-wing bull hunkey. Christ came to the Jew and the Gentile, not any nation. It is my understanding that Christ came so that all might be saved and that before Him only Israel could be saved and all was done for the nation of Iseael. All the temple sacrifices was for Israel alone but Christ atoned for the entire world.

Anyway, the issue is not religion but rather President Bush is above using Terrorists alerts for his political gain. Least of all is it about your Christianity.

Just as an aside, if this country is what you seem to think it is, then our fate was sealed when this country was founded. No nation under God could be so heartless and devoid of morals to have done what we did to the Native people living here for centuries before our puny arrival. Tote the Bible, quote the Bible and murder, pillage and burn in the Name of God. Manifest Destiny and all that rot.

As I said earlier, I believe we need freedom of religion and you have your right to believe as you wish. But we also need freedom from religion to protect us from right-wing religio-political nut cases that seek to force their beliefs on the rest of us in a free country.

[sioab]

Oh, before I forget, wasn't it Christ Himself who said that His Kingdom was not of this world? If that is true, then how did the United States all at once become His New Kingdom?

[sioab]

Originally Posted by "asalei"
P.S. I am appalled at the poor spelling and grammar usage that some of you use. Maybe it is a sign of the educational level of Bush supporters. Furthermore, anyone who spells "Bush" as "Busch" needs to travel outside of the trailer park once in a while, and put down the cans of cheap beer.[/quote

I'm a Republican who is Black, has a master's degree and was a Democrat until Clinton ran for Pres. Igorance and education have no correlation when it comes to morals and values. Spelling is not the issue. Are you saying travel makes you smart or are you just trying to be witty?

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I commend you on your accomplishments and your courage being a black Republican. I have a courageous friend who is black and loves Country and Western Music! I admire courage in any form.

But, there always seems to be a but somewhere, I must take issue with your statement about ignorance and education (opposites) not having anything to do with morals and values (similar). It often does. Ignorance can limit values and morals. If you mean illiteracy then I understand has nothing to do with morals and values. I have known many educated men with low morals and often absent of values while many high school dropouts have high standards for their actions. Just one more point, I do believe that the more one travels, interacts with people outside their comfort zone, other cultures, they are 'smarter' as you put it. I once had a professor tell me that a truly educated man is one who is well traveled, well read and speaks at least 3 languages! I may not totally agree, but I see his point. But then as we both agree, an educated man is not by necessity a moral man.

[Anonymous]

no no a thousand times no

[Anonymous]

Bush is a war freak. Look what he did to Iraq. He told the world that there is WMD but till now nothing have been found. The truth is he wants to personally control the oil, just take a look he sent Oil Men to tend the transition governement he set up. If it is truly a transition government, why didn;t he sent political or social-economic advisers to do the things.

It is very disgusting for him to send troops to sacrifice or die when he escaped his military service.

[sioab]

Originally Posted by dbon

Bush is a war freak. Look what he did to Iraq. He told the world that there is WMD but till now nothing have been found. The truth is he wants to personally control the oil, just take a look he sent Oil Men to tend the transition governement he set up. If it is truly a transition government, why didn;t he sent political or social-economic advisers to do the things.

It is very disgusting for him to send troops to sacrifice or die when he escaped his military service.

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He is indeed a war monger which is one of the reasons why I do not put the use of terror alerts for his own political gain past him.

It seems that history truly does repeat itself and that men that do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Just a few short years ago we believed that military might would always prevail, that a suprerior military force was all that was needed to solve problems. Actually it, more often than not, tends to create more problems when used for personal gain.

The nations of the world were against us then also, but we would not listen and went our own course, just as President Bush has done. This tiny country had withstood the Japanese, endured the English and had beaten the French. In the end, we lost over 50,000 lives and almost bankrupted our economy. I remember it well. It too started with lies from Washington and an American public hanging on every word of the President as if from God Himself! We left in shame and paid a price that no nation should be asked to pay given the circumstances. We were not attacked by that tiny country either! That country was Viet Nam.

One lesson not learned was not to attack nations that do not attack you and assume that because you are bigger and stronger that you will be assured victory. There is the human spirit to consider. I remember the story of a small boy with only a sling and a stone who felled a great giant! I also remember seeing American choppers evacuating the embassy in Saigon. When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn not to believe everything that comes out of Washington? When will be demand that when we send out troops into battle they are well prepared and the goal is clear and not trumped up in some smoked filled room? When will we ever learn not to attack countries that do not attack us? When?

We will not win this war in Iraq with military force anymore than we did in Viet Nam and that is all that President Bush seems to understand. Daily we are losing young people sent to fight by a President that did all he could to avoid service. We deserve better. We should demand better.

[Anonymous]

This administration will do any thing to stay in power. They will use any means to keep the peple in this contry in a state of fear and yes I think they use the terror alerts for political gain. Our democracy has ended and we have been fooled into believeing it is for our own good to have our rights as Americans taken away. We are in trouble in our own country and the rest of the world and we have lost our illusion of respectbility around the world. All great civilization fall when when the people in power do the things like our government has done over the years starting with the slaughter of the Native Americans.

[sioab]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This administration will do any thing to stay in power. They will use any means to keep the peple in this contry in a state of fear and yes I think they use the terror alerts for political gain. Our democracy has ended and we have been fooled into believeing it is for our own good to have our rights as Americans taken away. We are in trouble in our own country and the rest of the world and we have lost our illusion of respectbility around the world. All great civilization fall when when the people in power do the things like our government has done over the years starting with the slaughter of the Native Americans.

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I could not agree with you more. Your reference to the Native Americans and you statement abou the 'illusion of respectibility' went right to the heart. Anyone willing to give up the rights that men and women have died for on the battlefields, bled for during the Civil Rights movement and continue to struggle to maintain in court after court across our nation sickens me. It has been well said that those who would sacrifice freedom for safety will end up with neither and I believe that to be true. The idea of Freedom has been the only thing that has distinquished our existence from other nations and when we sacrifice our liberty we cease to be worthy of safety. Keep the struggle alive. It must die in our generation and those who would take it from us must not be allowed to do so. We must speak with our votes on election day.

[sioab]

"It must die in our generation and those who would take it from us must not be allowed to do so. We must speak with our votes on election day."

------------------ Sorry, this should read 'It must NOT die in our generations... My fingers are faster than my eye. I did not catch it until I had already pressed submit.

[Anonymous]

I think George Bush and his cronies would stoop to anything to win this election. My first thought when I heard that the level had been raised was that he was playing politics and then when I heard that the information was a couple of years old, I was convinced it was politics. Since they didn't win the last election, they must win this one to stay viable. [/b][/u]

[Anonymous]

Good Grief..I feel sorry for the ones who think Bush is the worst President..and it is great they live in a country where they STILL can still voice their opinons.

Of COURSE he is going to look bad in the world.. look how CROOKED they have all been and THAT is the reason they didn't want to help. Those that are honorable and decent KNOW the truth and they know until there is peace in the middle east there will never be peace in the world.

Americans want to gripe about everything.....Grow up!!!! They complain about our schools and children and jobs etc...yet they don't help do anything about it. Anything that is offered they turn down or it is too much work.

I am an American and I am a veteran.. I was in the WACS in 1969 and my husband was in Nam. For heaven's sake.....Americans will kil each other in the streets here .. yet they won't stand up for themselves anywhere else. This has helped cause our problems. This Terrorism is nothing new.. we just never had any President with GUTS enough to stand tall and say FINALLY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and we are not taking anymore.

For over 30 years we have eaten crap from the middle east and hijackings and killings etc... what more do you want? FOR GODS SAKE THESE PEOPLE ARE IN OUR BACK YARDS and we still can't get the guts to do something because of the bleeeding heart liberals.

Well I want a better world for my children and grandchildren. I don't want them living in fear for not having a backbone and not having the guts to stop theese idiots from destroying what our courntry has fought for and stood for since it's birth. We didn't cower then.. and we won't now...and Thank God we have some people in our country who still believe it is worth fighting for and standing up for....and are willing to make a sacrafice for the good of our future. You can't secure a tomorrow if you don't make today safe.

Grow up you cry babies.

[Anonymous]

NO

[Anonymous]

Having lived in NYC all my life and having gone through 2 bombing at the WTC, I am sure this new alert is political. The gov't had enough information to expect another try at the WTC after 1993. Since a plane had already been used to attempt to crash into the White House (prior to 9/11), we knew this could happen.
I find it strange that this alert is being based on info found on a 4 year old computer. If Bush were ahead in the polls, I believe life would have gone on as usual. But being a President who lost the popular vote and had to depend on his brother to get him into office, I won't but anything past him. This country has gone from debt free to having a 4 billion dollar deficit in just 3 1/2 years. We have now spent how many millions in Iraq and still have Americans with no health insurance and there are more people living below the poverty level than ever before.
Bush and friends are a danger to the US, I for one will be voting for Kerry/Edwards.
And yes, NYC has been at orange alert since 9/11, so there has been no change in status. Yet, under the BUsh plan to combat terrorism NY get $4.00 per person while Montana is gettiong $20.00 per person. What are they going after in Montana?

[Anonymous]

If Bush is a war nut after going to war two times, what does that make Clinton after going to war seven times? Where was your protesting then? Clinton's wars were all designed to free people from tyrany, the war in Iraq has the same purpose. You can't favor Clinton's war mongoring, and protest Iraq.

[Anonymous]

Bush has been a very strong, brave President. All those trying to accuse him of using this war as political gain obviously have little recollection of the events of 9/11/01. Imagine (if you can) how you would have responded to the issues GW has had to face while in office. How can you criticize?
At least Bush has been honest with us. Kerry is a liar and a cheat. If that man is elected, he will not follow through with the promises he's made. He has his own agenda and it doesn't benefit the nation as a whole.
Knowledge is power, read more facts about what's really going on. The mudslinging is going on on both sides of the debate. No one is to blame, but it's easy to determine where it started.

[Anonymous]

Looking at these post I can't help but wonder the age of the folks who claim that Bush is doing this for political gain. My guess is that they are in their 20's or younger. They have not lived long enough to understand our history, the history of the Muslim people and the serious threat we are under. . The fact that our country is heading down a road of such liberal views that Christianity is under attack. That values I was raised on are now considered unpatriotic. These young people have a sense of entitlement. They do not understand what their grandparents went through to keep this country free. They have no clue what hard work is, or understand that a person should be responsible for themselves and their families that it is not the governments responsibility to house, cloth and feed you. With this type of belief it is no wonder they feel the way they do. I can't believe that people have already forgotten that we were attacked on 9/11. We did not provoke them. In fact we have been attacked over and over again during the Clinton administration and nothing was done. It was because of that that 9/11 occurred. Do you really think the terrorist will stop? If you do then you do not understand the Koran and the fact that they have no plans of stopping until we are all dead and Christianity is wiped from the earth.

A strong leader like Bush is needed now. God help us if Kerry gets elected we will need it. I do not see eye to eye on everything Bush has done, however we can not afford to be compliant in these times complacency will be the death of our country as we know it.

Study your history, then understand what the Koran says before you judge our President. His has a very difficult task, in very serious times. First they blame him for not doing enough. Now they try and blame him for doing too much. No one wants a war but would you rather our country end as we know it? They will stop at nothing. We can not change that unless we take the offensive. President Bush has no other choice. Give him a chance to protect our country!

[Anonymous]

If we were not alerted to these conditions and something happened, then how would President Bush be criticized? Kerry would allow us to stay in the dark and I personally do not want that. It's like insurance. If you have it (the warnings), then the chances of bad happenings are lessened.

I was in my early thirties when John Kerry made his outrageous statements to Congress and the country after he returned from Viet Nam. I remember it. He later stated these tales had no basis in fact; he was just setting forth stories he had heard while overseas. Then he made a great show as he supposedly threw away his medals obtained in the war (his commander must have studied Speedwriting to make the award commendations so fast!). Now he admits he threw away someone elses medals and kept his.
HOW CAN ANYONE TRUST THIS MAN NOW.
He votes in Congress and days later changes his mind. I guess that is after Therese tells him how wrong he is and he then waffles.. She is also a "loose cannon" and would make a terrible First Lady.
Kerry has an affinity for the French, since he lived there as a young man. Doesn't that tell you something.

[Anonymous]

Originally Posted by VIKVIK@COMCAST.NET

WELL I THINK THAT HE WILL PULL SOMTHING OUT OF THE CLEAR BLUE SKY AT THE TIME OF VOTING. CAUSE HE WILL DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STAY IN OFFICE. NOT THAT HE SHOULD HAVE GONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I CAN NOT HELP TO THINK THAT HE DID NOT WIN ALL THE VOTES IN FLORIDA OR ANY WHERE'S ELSE. IF IT HAD BEEN ANY ONE ELSE IN THIS SPOT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE WON JUST LIKE THAT . BUT CAUSE HIS BROTHER IS RUNNING THAT STATE HE MADE SURE THAT BUSH WON . I HAVE ALL WAYS FELT THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REVOTE TAKE PLACE WITH OUT HIS BROTHER BEING THERE AND IN THE STATE. IT IS A LITTLE BIT STRANGE THAT FLORIDA WAS THE BIGGEST SCREW UP STATE AT THAT TIME. GO FIGGER WHAT DID ANYONE THINK THAT HE WOULD LOSS. WHAT A LAUGH THAT IS AND WAS. THE WAY I SEE IT THEY SHOULD HAD HAVE BOZO THE CLOWN RUN AGAINST HIM CAUSE NO MATTER WHO IT WAS WOULD NOT HAVE WON. CAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA MADE SURE OF THAT. SHAME ON THE BUSHES FOR NOT BEING THE HONESTY THAT THEY WOULD WANT US TO THINK. THE RICH GETS RICHER AND THE POORER GETS POORER. IT IS ALL ABOUT THEM AND NO ONE ELSE. I DON'T HEAR THAT ANY OF THERE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE OVER SEAS FIGHTING THE WAR THAT SHOULD HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE. GOD FOR BID THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE BUSH FAMILY SHOULD HAVE TO GO AND FIHGT FOR OUR COUNTRY SUCH AS OTHER FAMILYS HAS. SHAME ON HIM SHAME SHAME ON HIM. HOW CAN HE SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING OF ALL THESE YOUNG KIDS ARE COMING HOME IN BODY BAGS. THAT IS NOT A MAN THAT IS A SNAKE IN THE GRASS FOR OUR COUNTRY. GOD BLESS OUR COUNTRY AND ALL THE MEN AND WOMAN THAT ARE THERE. BLESS THERE LOVED ONES TO. [/b]

Didn't you ever hear that the first President Bush was in WWII? And if the people of Florida had read their instructions, like most of us did that used that type machine, there wouldn't have been a problem to begin with. North Florida and the uncounted Military vote out-
numbered ALL the so-called chad votes in South Florida!! That can be proved after they took a sample of the uncounted absentee ballots!!

[Anonymous]

I vote for Bush. No one but a fool would vote for Kerry and his evil wife.

[Jane]

I agree with angeleyes 12462, mysoyl, LizB, and mnase1. This particular President taught our youth a valuable lesson "you can cheat your way into the Presidency". A person that would do that is not to be trusted. Instead of going after the people responsible for the attacks on the Twin Towers in New York and on the Pentagon, Bush decided he was going after Iraq; whether or not weapons of destruction could be found. To tell you the truth I'm suprised he hasn't plant any. And what about his stance on stem cell research? This is one man who should never have been put in control of this country; he's set our economy back into recession. He didn't get my vote before nor will he get it this election!