is it global warming??

[Kitchen Witch]

Is it global warming that is causing this heatwave???

They say the glaciers are melting and the oceans temperatures are increasing. One gentleman on TV todqay said that in the 60's and 70's there was so much smog from cars using leaded gas that the layer of smog actually protected us from the heat from the sun.

What's your opinion?

[kyragee]

have you seen the Al Gore documentary - global warming is a bigger problem then we can ever imagine .I highly recommend this documentary - the higher temperatures will get even higher in years to come.

[Kitchen Witch]

I haven't seen that one yet. I am not a heat person but living in the snow belt - I would like our winters to be milder and if global warming helps that - then that will make me happy!

[kyragee]

i hear you but the natural devaststaion that happens with global warming is so bad that i would rather live with snow then hurricanes, tornadoes, animals dying, skin cancer rates soaring etc.

[Kitchen Witch]

I would still like to know what we did to Mother Nature to make her so angry that all these things are happening! We get a lot of snow but we don't get the hurricanes and tornadoes. Although we did get a tornado that touched down a month or so ago - and cripe - we are not used to that - so all us dummies stood there looking at it and wondering what to do! I think some of us have smartened up a bit since then and we now know we should take cover.

[Charlotte Groth]

Global warming? It's natural, say experts
by BARRY WIGMORE - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:36pm on 13th September 2007

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Some scientists have suggested global warming is due to a natural 1,500-year cycle
Global warming is a natural event and the effects are not all bad, two respected researchers claimed yesterday.

Authors Dennis Avery and Fred Singer looked at the work of more than 500 scientists and argue that these experts are doubtful the phenomenon is caused by man-made greenhouse gases.

Climate change is much more likely to be part of a cycle of warming and cooling that has happened regularly every 1,500 years for the last million years, they say.

And the doom and gloom merchants, who point to the threat to the polar bear from the melting North Pole, are wrong, the authors say.

Even if our climate is changing, it is not all bad, they suggest, because past cold periods have killed twice as many people as warm periods. Mr Avery said: "Not all of these researchers who doubt man-made climate change would describe themselves as global warming sceptics but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see.

"Two thousand years of published human histories say that the warm periods were good for people.

"It was the harsh, unstable Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age that brought bigger storms, untimely frost, widespread famine, plagues and disease."


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Mr Singer said: "We have a greenhouse theory with no evidence to support it, except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose results have never been verified with real-world events.

"The models only reflect the warming, not its cause."

The most recent global warming was between 1850 and 1940, the authors say, and was therefore probably not caused by man-made greenhouse gases.

Historical evidence of the natural cycle includes a record of floods on the Nile going back 5,000 years; Roman wine production in Britain in the first century AD; and thousands of museum paintings that portray sunnier skies during what is called the Medieval Warming, and more clouds during the Little Ice Age.


The authors looked at a raft of studies which, they claim, undermine the "scare-mongering" by those blaming man for destroying the planet.

In the current warming cycle, they say there is evidence that storms and droughts have been fewer and milder; corals, trees, birds, mammals and butterflies have adapted well; and sea levels are not rising significantly.



Polar bears are threatened by global warming

Mr Avery is a fellow of the Hudson Institute, an independent U.S. thinktank that tends to side with big business.

He was a senior agricultural analyst at the State Department when Ronald Reagan was president. Mr Singer is a climate physicist.


The pair spent months analysing scientific reports for their book, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, to counter claims made by former U.S. Vice President Al Gore in his film An Inconvenient Truth.

They argue that variations in the Sun's radiation have far more influence on our climate than humans.

Mr Singer said: "This can all be explained by the Sun's activity."

He added: "The number of the Sun's cosmic rays hitting the Earth affect the number of low, cooling clouds that reflect solar heat back into space, amplifying small variations in the intensity of the Sun."

[Kitchen Witch]

Hey Guts - We are all entitled to our own opinion. And I agree. I also think they are spending too much money on space projects. Ok - we walked on the moon - big deal. We can't live there - so what are we supposed to do with it? And this space station thing. That money could not only pay off our entire debt (which has grown immensely since Obama came in) but it would also give everyone the healtiest stimulus checks they ever saw - and our country would not be like it is now. We'd even have the money for better health care and better education.
but who are we?????????? who would listen??????

[SmokyOkie]

Hey Guts - We are all entitled to our own opinion. And I agree. I also think they are spending too much money on space projects. Ok - we walked on the moon - big deal. We can't live there - so what are we supposed to do with it? And this space station thing. That money could not only pay off our entire debt (which has grown immensely since Obama came in) but it would also give everyone the healtiest stimulus checks they ever saw - and our country would not be like it is now. We'd even have the money for better health care and better education.
but who are we?????????? who would listen??????

Do I understand you to say that they are spending over 12 trillion dollars on the space station?

...And are you saying that stimulus checks are a good thing?

Not trying to pick a fight, just want to make sure I understand what you are saying.

[Kitchen Witch]

Hi Smokie -

If we - meaning the citizens - were to get the money they waste between space and bailouts to those that don't need it - our economy would be in much better shape. People would be spending money, making purchases, etc. and there would be less foreclosures, repossessed cars, and more employment.

Our government has a lot of "hidden" money that we don't even know about. There is no call for them to stop COLA payments to the seniors and disabled (cost of living).

[SmokyOkie]

Wholeheartedly agreed.

We do know that about half of the original TARP fund is sitting there unspent like a giant slush fund. they gave out all of it that was "needed", and now, instead of using the rest to pay down the debt, our president wants to use it for a "jobs" bill.

As a small business owner that follows the rules and has a solvent business, I find it particularly outrageous that they gave billions to the large corporations that didn't follow the rules and whose business models ended in abysmal failure, while there is absolutely no relief for the small business owners like myself that are sagging because of the illegal behavior of the larger ones.

All that being said, I think these issues are really the smaller of our worries as a nation.

Thank you for your clarification, and thank you for having me on your forum.

[Kitchen Witch]

I had a small business - I know just what you are saying.

I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with all this - I wonder if the people are going to get a belly-full of all this and start to revolt against the government.

It should be interesting -

and - I think our government is getting involved in some things that they shouldn't -

we need a whole new set of government officials - we need politicians that will care about our country and its citizens

BTW - welcome aboard! We're glad you found us!!

[SmokyOkie]

I had a small business - I know just what you are saying.

I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with all this - I wonder if the people are going to get a belly-full of all this and start to revolt against the government.

It should be interesting -

and - I think our government is getting involved in some things that they shouldn't -

we need a whole new set of government officials - we need politicians that will care about our country and its citizens

BTW - welcome aboard! We're glad you found us!!

Thank you for the welcome.

I agree with much that you say. No doubt that the government is involved in things that they shouldn't be. Controlling the media is one of them.

The people are revolting against the unprecedented onslaught that the federal government is waging against its people. that is why the tea parties, the town hall meetings, and the million people that marched on the capitol last labor day. that is exactly what all that stuff was, a revolt. The only problem is that the government ignored and continues to ignore all that, and continues to do what they want. Under the control of the leftist Obama regime, the media continues to downplay all of the uprising, and smear the naysayers.

I am only afraid that it may be too late for the people to put a stop to it all without serious bloodshed. I abhor the thought, but I am really afraid that it won't be stopped without it.

sorry for the rant. let's talk about cuisine now.

I am one of the founders of a forum called The Q Joint. It is an outdoor cooking and BBQ forum. Have you ever heard of us?

[islandkine]

Nope, just people trying to alarm us. People like Al Gore are using this to make millions from us. People need to do their homework. Many scientist don not believe in global warming, just a natural process that happens to the earth. Just do what you can to be good stewarts of the earth and don't go over board. People like Al Gore used to say in the 70's that the world was over populated! They are now into Global Warming! I'm from Hawaii and all I can say is do your homework and don't let these people scare you. I would rather worry about my freedoms being limited by too much government intervention. Now Obama wants us to not use technical products that we can use for good. Maybe he doesn't want us to obtain some information about him and what he wants for the USA. There is always good and bad to something, we just have to have some discipline and know how to use things. Also don't let things and people control our lives. We have to listen to our innerselves (the light of Christ) and do what we feel is right. Just think, pretty soon if Obama has his way we will have a hard time just conversing on the internet like this! Pretty scarey!

[Hookbills]

Global warming is a fact. Without it we would be experiencing an ice age. Man made global warming is a farce. The sun causes increases and decreases in our global temperatures. If you read up on the subject our solar system is warming. Has man caused CO2 emissions on the other planets to increase?

[SmokyOkie]

Global warming is a fact. Without it we would be experiencing an ice age. Man made global warming is a farce. The sun causes increases and decreases in our global temperatures. If you read up on the subject our solar system is warming. Has man caused CO2 emissions on the other planets to increase?

I was in elementary school when I learned that by it's very nature, climate changes constantly.

[Gary1512]

Global warming is not only a farce, it is an out right lie. If it was actually happening, then every country's scientists would be hammering away to find an answer! We would hear about this every day, not just when it’s convenient for the government. The oil spill is the government's way to create an 'emergency' so to take more control of the county. As the president has said before…’I don’t want to do this, but there’s no choice’. This is not a direct quote and the ‘this’ refers to whatever he’s planning to control. Just keep watching and you’ll see our country unravel.

Gary

[SmokyOkie]

Convenient coincidence that this occurred shortly after the pres sadi that we would open up offshore drilling. Equally coincidental that lst week, he declared that they were shutting down all offshore production and drilling.

It follows righ in line with his always stated belief that we must bankrupt all existing energy production companies other that "Green" enterprises.

[cooking_novice]

I think it's be tough to say that any specific heat wave is due to global warming. I think it is safe to say that the general shift in global temperatures is in part due to climate change, though.

[SmokyOkie]

I think it's be tough to say that any specific heat wave is due to global warming. I think it is safe to say that the general shift in global temperatures is in part due to climate change, though.

As I said earlier, climate changes by its very nature. That is what makes it climate, and it would not be climate otherwise. Most recent results show cooloing rather than warming. That is why those that are promoting that agenda have changed the terminology to "Climate change" instead of warming.

Either way, it is only a means to advance a progressive agenda by purporting a general cataclysmic catastrophe that requires a reaction by the masses. it is all a "Chicken Little" kinda thing, but remember, the sky is not falling.

[librachild]

I was in elementary school when I learned that by it's very nature, climate changes constantly.

I remember that and that the earth was tilted 13 1/2 degrees on axis. Also that the continents move an inch per year. With all the movement over time the climate would also change as we are either moving toward the poles or the equator. Now I don't know what the tilt is now but I think that it may have increased. Just my two cents.

[Kitchen Witch]

I remember that and that the earth was tilted 13 1/2 degrees on axis. Also that the continents move an inch per year. With all the movement over time the climate would also change as we are either moving toward the poles or the equator. Now I don't know what the tilt is now but I think that it may have increased. Just my two cents.

with all the tsunami's and volcanoes, etc. I wonder what the tilt degrees are now?

[Insanity]

I can't believe I've not responded to this thread long ago !
Why do people assume global warming is because of the temperature on the outside ?
The center of our planet is 9000F. It only takes 1000F to melt most rock. Also, the center is hot enough to melt itself, but it can't. In order for it to liguidfy, it must expand, but it can't because the Earth's crust keeps it confined. Yet, slowly but surely, it heats our crust, until it weakens enough to crack. Think about it ! Just where do you think molten lava comes from ? ? ?
Did ya' know that Earth has had about 40,000 ice ages ? They occur every 8,000 to 32,000 years. Just prior to each, the Earth's crust warms up, cracks, spews forth ash from 1,000's of volcanos all at once. The sun gets totally blocked out, and doesn't warm the planet anymore. Outer space is like -200F, and freezes our planet, and resolidifies the crust, and turns most water into ice.
Haven't any of ya's wondered how it is that the Pole's ice is melting, coz the temps there are like -140F. Just how could they be melting~~~~COZ THEY'RE MELTING FROM THE BOTTOM UP !

[SmokyOkie]

Quite a nice bit of conjecture there. Not based in fact, and not really logical, but an interesting take.

[Insanity]

Quite a nice bit of conjecture there. Not based in fact, and not really logical, but an interesting take.

"Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader ?"
Coz everything I said is basically 5th grade science. But it doesn't fit in with YOUR logic, thus ya' gotta try labels, huh?
Ya' can call me 'not really-logical' all you want. Just goes to show ya' have no point to make..

Now why don't ya' try telling me nicely exactly what is "Not based in fact" ? Coz its all based on scientific fact.
Good luck with that....

[SmokyOkie]

"Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader ?"
Coz everything I said is basically 5th grade science. But it doesn't fit in with YOUR logic, thus ya' gotta try labels, huh?
Ya' can call me 'not really-logical' all you want. Just goes to show ya' have no point to make..

Now why don't ya' try telling me nicely exactly what is "Not based in fact" ? Coz its all based on scientific fact.
Good luck with that....

OK. First off, for the record, I did not call you anything I only referred to what you posted.

Next

In order for it to liguidfy, it must expand, but it can't because the Earth's crust keeps it confined. Yet, slowly but surely, it heats our crust, until it weakens enough to crack.

I don't know what liguidify means, but I suspect that you mean liquify.

Next, the earth's core does not neat the crust. the earth has been cooling from the outside since the very beginning. Separate from its atmosphere, the globe itself is continually undergoing a cooling process. That is the primary cause for the movement of tectonic plates.

Volcanic eruptions are most generally caused when the pressure of liquid magma exceeds the load bearing capacity of whatever geological formation is holding it in, and yes, magma is liquid, even when under pressure. They are not caused by the Earth's core heating the crust until it cracks.

As to the polar ice melting, water of the same temperature as air will indeed melt ice faster, especially if it is in motion. this is due to the fact that water is a better conductor of heat than is air, and thus transfers heat more efficiently.

However, air at a higher temperature will melt ice more quickly than will water at a lower temperature, so.....whether or not the polar ice is melting from the bottom up or the top down would depend on the temperature of the water or air at any given time of day or year, and the location of the ice.

I am quite certain that ther are many times and places where the air temperature is much higher than is the seawater adjacent to the polar ice.

I can go on, but I really didn't set out to engage in a debate. I merely responded to your post. I assume that is what you wanted folks to do, and that is why you posted what you did........or did you just want to post what you did, and others had better not take exception with any of it?

[SmokyOkie]

I don't really remember 5th grade well enough to know at what point in my education I learned what I just posted, but I would suspect that I was never taught what you posted.

How is it that you are aware that what you posted is 5th grade curriculum?

[missik999]

I think we should all go back to discussing food, recipes and cooking. I don't think a thread like this belongs on a recipe forum.

I am surprised that the moderator allows it.

[Kitchen Witch]

We have discussions here as well - some are taken out of context but are watched carefully - if needed - they get deleted. Another member complained about this being a recipe site a few years back because jokes were posted in the chat/discussion forum. Many sites have chat or discussions forums as well as recipes.

[SmokyOkie]

Actually, I think the forum owner has posted in the thread.

FWIW, many forums regard themselves as communities, and for that reason they allow their "family" to discuss other topics on the forum. Most have a dedicated forum for off topic discussions.

I think the idea is that if someone doesn't want to read the off topic stuff, they don't have to.

Personally, I enjoy discussions on subject other than cooking, so I often read them and respond.

It will most certainly not hurt my feelings if you don't care to read my posts.

I do appreciate your input though.

[missik999]

I can understand having other discussions here besides recipes and cooking, but when it degenerates into members critiquing typos and arguing it disturbs the peace of the forum.

I used to be a member of a really awesome cooking site that had nice discussions and fantastic recipes and cooking advice. The members showed respect toward each other and it was a peaceful oasis, a pleasant place to visit and exchange recipes and tips. A few years ago, however, someone posted a thread about drug companies who overcharge for prescription drugs. Many people posted on both sides of the issue, including people who had debilitating diseases and were grateful that the drug companies spent the millions on research to discover treatments for their conditions. Other members started slamming them, and it turned into a huge debate that spilled over into the recipe and cooking threads, and ruined the entire forum.

Some recipe sites don't allow off-topic arguments. I guess I forgot I was on a site that does. My apologies, carry on.

[SmokyOkie]

I can understand having other discussions here besides recipes and cooking, but when it degenerates into members critiquing typos and arguing it disturbs the peace of the forum.

I used to be a member of a really awesome cooking site that had nice discussions and fantastic recipes and cooking advice. The members showed respect toward each other and it was a peaceful oasis, a pleasant place to visit and exchange recipes and tips. A few years ago, however, someone posted a thread about drug companies who overcharge for prescription drugs. Many people posted on both sides of the issue, including people who had debilitating diseases and were grateful that the drug companies spent the millions on research to discover treatments for their conditions. Other members started slamming them, and it turned into a huge debate that spilled over into the recipe and cooking threads, and ruined the entire forum.

Some recipe sites don't allow off-topic arguments. I guess I forgot I was on a site that does. My apologies, carry on.

Missi, I am not bothered by your comment.

I hope that you don't feel as though I have slammed anyone. It was not my intention to slam the user that goes by the username Insanity.

I made a comment as to my reaction to their post, and I really don't think I called anyone names or did anything to cast aspersions on them.

Evidently, they chose to take my comment that way.

I enjoy debate and see no reason to shout names at anyone that disagrees with my position. I suppose that there are those that do feel that need though.

Sorry for any unintended concerns that my post caused you.

[Kitchen Witch]

Okay - - it's over and let it go. I did not take the posts offensively - we all have our own interpretations of posts - and I don't think anyone is offended except Missi - sorry Missi. I felt it was a good debate myself.

[SmokyOkie]

Thank you KW!

[Kitchen Witch]

You're welcomed - and I do love a good debate - it does make you think and it can make you investigate further on topics to find out much more.

[denyalmartin]

Thanks For sharing best post. Here some more info about Global warming. There was another time in the earth's history when global warming was caused by huge amounts of CO2 being released into the atmosphere by extreme volcanism, and raised the global average temperature by +/- 10 degrees.

[Insanity]

It doesn't take much of a temp rise to weaken our crust enough to crack.
Problem is, we have no idea what that temp is.
People even now, don't realize the pressure it takes for a volcano to blow its top. And that pressure comes from the inside. Ever growing, ever trying to expand, so it can turn to liguid.
Even more, many don't realize what an ice age is. It means 500 feet of ice covering Northern America, carving out the Great Lakes. Or even the hundreds of feet of ice it took to create the Grand Canyon.
Our planet has been here for billions of years, yet mankind has only been here for millions. That's like one one/100,000 of that. We are merely a speck in Earth's existance.
Like it has since its time began, the inner core will crack the Earth's crust, block out the sun, and freeze again. We'll live thru it. Mankind has done so dozens of times. But it will return, coz noone can dispute, the Earth's core is 9000F. It's gonna heat us from the inside out once again, like it has done thousands of times before.
Ain't no stopping it !

[Marauderer]

I have seen the Al Gore documentary, Dose he talk about the ocean conveyer (current) belt? NO!!! Dose he talk about the under water smokers (under water volcanoes) which we know more about the moon than the bottom of are oceans, so Dose he talk about the under water smokers? NO ! In the Al Gore documentary the pictures of the ice burg falling into the ocean was in fact file footage taken long ago. Don't get me wrong , I'm all for green power and clean oceans. With that said; The economy is failing and we need to bring it back soon, going all green all at one time is not the way to do it. Faze it in slowly, after all no one else is going to the extent the USA is taking it. The BS about we have to show the world how to do it, is just that. It's all about who is going to control the carbon credits.. (the cap and trade bill) dose that ring a bell?
We are in a cooling if any thing trend, But we Do Not have records kept long enough, and the ocean is a big factor 2/3rds of the earth is ocean. Al Gore is in part the cause of the economy failing, yes there are green jobs. Question ? Why is it Korea and Iran can have Nuclear power but here in USA we have to have wind mills and solar panels. Build the nuclear plant Now! Now that would be a stimulus package. Proceed with green cars, but we have plenty enough oil till the green cars get figured out. Drill Now. Don't even get me started on the EPA thing.
Bottom line There is No Man Made Global Warming !!! And it can Not be Proven.

Please Please No fighting I'm not a troll I came here to talk about food. And saw this thread. it is just a reply of what I think and I Do Not want to fight about any thing I have said. Just My Two Cents...
Guts/AKA/Kim

I agree with Guts!!

In 1992 I moved to atlantra and we had over two weeks straight where the temps were over 100*f daily and nothing was said about global warming. I think it is just the normal Earths cycling and some people want to cash in on it and make everyone else dance their tune so to speak.

[Kitchen Witch]

I agree with Guts!!

In 1992 I moved to atlantra and we had over two weeks straight where the temps were over 100*f daily and nothing was said about global warming. I think it is just the normal Earths cycling and some people want to cash in on it and make everyone else dance their tune so to speak.

You got that right!

[SmokyOkie]

I agree with Guts!!

In 1992 I moved to atlantra and we had over two weeks straight where the temps were over 100*f daily and nothing was said about global warming. I think it is just the normal Earths cycling and some people want to cash in on it and make everyone else dance their tune so to speak.

It is good to see a little common sense on this subject. I get awfully tired of all the "Chicken Littles" out there screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

In the '70s, the same types were screaming that we were headed for another ice age.

As I believe I previously stated, I was in grade school when I learned was that that only thing constant in climate is that it constantly changes.

Our friend "Insanity" has several thing confused, and continues to issue staements based on fuzzy infromation.

Man has not been on the Earth for millions of years, but more like 250,000 years by closest estimates, and that includes his evolutionary ancestors.

The temperature of the Earth's core can only be estimated, but it is in fact estimated to be above 9000°. However, this only causes the surface temperature of the earth to be about 4° warmer that the surrounding air.

The Earth is cooling and has been since it was formed. As it cools, it contracts. This places pressure on the mantle and core.

The Earth's crust cracks on a regular basis. this has also been going on since the beginning of time as we know it. Nothing new or dire about it.

the Grand Canyon was cut by water, not ice. Ice doesn't cut sheer edges like the canyon has, but rather, U shaped valleys.

[Marauderer]

Thank you for defining that with facts or theories SmokyOkie. It is refreshing to deal with fact and data instead of feel good phrases with any meaningful data to back it up.